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Welcome to the show! This is episode 98 The simple deep looking technique that can change your life.
My name is Ilona Ciunaite. I am a guide, an author, and a co-creator of the Liberation Unleashed community. If you are interested in all things awakening, this podcast is for you. Over the past 13 years, I’ve been guiding and supporting seekers on their journeys to discover inner peace and freedom.

In this podcast, I dive deep into the heart of awakening. Together with my guests, we explore the pivotal moments that spark transformation, what life looks like before and after the shift, and how to navigate the challenges and beauty of living an awakened life.

In this group meeting session, you’ll hear anxious guests go from looping thoughts to spacious calm—using a simple **Deep Looking technique** that anyone can repeat. No incense, no fancy mantras, just one 4-step awakening questions that pacifies the mind on demand. Follow along and test it in real time in your own experience.

this is deep looking and here everything is welcome all the emotions questions stories sensations whatever is coming up for you is very welcome this is safe space we are here for each

other i'm going to ask you one question and just check in for yourself what is the answer i mean checking looking seeing what is true in your experience that's all are you at peace right

now is your body at

peace is your mind at peace

is your heart at

peace and if the answer is yes wonderful yay sweet can stay here for the rest of the meeting but if the answer is no that's okay that's why we are here we can look together can explore whatever is coming up whatever is in need of attention and give that attention give that what's needed

this is my first time on here um but I would like to look deeper I suppose wonderful i'm Bobby hi Bobby very nice to meet you message all right so what came up for you with these questions at peace no

and is it the mind the heart or the body what is all three of them all three of them definitely mind body i think feeling a little uh I don't know maybe anxiety i don't want to try to fish for answers just to have an answer but um heart that part just gets a little abstract for me okay other other than the anatomical organ but um yeah okay okay so let's meet the mind and see what he wants and by when I say the word mind what do you perceive the mind where is it where is of course it's not visible but what do you perceive it in this system and your field where's my location uhhuh are you um I want to say like this area but that's maybe just because the brain is in the head but um Well it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if it feels here it's here that's fine absolutely it doesn't feel I have a hard

time all I can say is it's just looping like circular pattern of looping thoughts okay and where do you sense that these thoughts are coming so around feet around hands in the back in the front just like really checking what is true for you it's no right answer or wrong answer kind of like all over okay okay but no but nowhere uhhuh i don't know that yeah it's invisible let's say hello mind just whatever it is for you you just bring attention there and say hello mind hello hello mind i see

you i see you thank you so much for everything you're doing for me thank you for working so hard for being a friend

just acknowledging how much this mind is

working and how valuable it

is and maybe you can even say mind I love you so

much i love you mind

say mind are you at peace are you at peace right

now and tell me what comes

up uh the first thing that came into my well the natural word that comes is head but um I do feel like it's head area because uh feel like I've led a neck up existence for much of my life um yeah that that question I don't know if my

mind it's getting interesting um I don't know if my mind produced this answer just to have an answer but the thing that first popped up was I don't know what peace is oh mhm

i say I hear you

yeah say would you like to be at peace would that be something that you would be open to

i don't really sense any answer upon sort of asking that but I kind of sense that wants to a little bit mhm maybe okay maybe like let's go for let's go for it well say I agree that would be nice yeah that would be really nice say mind my friend are you ready for peace

just sort of quiet maybe there's like a yes but I don't know if I'm just making that up well you just notice what's going on that's even that making it up is something that is going on

just seeing what's happening in your experience with this question

yeah there seems to be like

a some sort of struggle but also like a yearning for

peace okay let's give it the next question and it's are you ready for peace to relax to rest right now

i feel like when I'm asking the asker is the mind itself

that's okay it's been talking to itself all life anyway you know it's nothing special and nothing weird

yeah it's I'm ready or it's ready okay well say you are already free you're free to rest you're free to be at peace so show me say show me what is this peace right now

there's like a confusion in trying to mentally figure it out like intellectualize it mhm what does it say what do you hear

how can it be that simple that's a wonderful question say yes yes it is yes it's that simple so you're already free to be at

peace unless there is something that is holding you back or you are holding on to something like oh it cannot be that simple i hear what's coming is like then what do I do oh what am I supposed to do oh do something

how about just noticing what's already

here feels relaxing noticing the breath mhm

just being being yourself nothing to do nowhere to go nothing to achieve just

being simply being open spacious relaxed [Music] calm peaceful present

and yet so alive so rich

a little bit of a gap of like some cessation of mental activity

well let's ask one more question say mind show me your natural state what are you in your natural state show me

There's no answer i mean I just sense like nothing mhm like

there's like there's nothing

there at least like when I'm just following the breath upon asking that question

there's a well not true um there's an a like awareness I'm aware there's like a sound of an airplane

yeah we can use words but you know in experience what it's like this openness quietness awareness

word nothing is just as good as any

nothing

nothing and then in that nothing there are thoughts they just bubble up come and go and the images come and go

but this nothing is like open sky with no

borders and it's

here and just check for yourself how is the mind feeling now

there's a sense of more just peace just from like

breathing less activity

and mind happy with that does it like it does it want to go back to the noise

it's u doesn't seem like it's protesting it okay

well say to the mind okay mind you can live like that you can live from this you see your natural state is this quiet openness you're welcome to show up more as your natural

state there there's still a maybe a bit of the mind feeling u silly it's talking to itself internally but yeah that's what it does anyway like it's okay to talk to the boss to the mom to the partner to kids to dogs to whatever strangers it's not okay to talk to

itself that's very sweet yeah but it was it wasn't shown that he can do that before

and it's okay to be silly and have

fun there's a little bit of anxiety uh seems just of like Wanting to return wanting to return to doing something

well say mind you are free you can return to doing something what do you want to do

figure out something ah and what do you want to figure out

yeah but I I feel much felt like peaceful

sorry I didn't catch that i I feel more like there's a sense of just calmness uhhuh nice less less activity but like this underlying like Yeah when are we going to like

what's Yeah yeah like I said think about something it's wonderful yeah and this as you see it's very very simple very doable just asking the mind are you at peace do you want to be at peace do you want to relax are you ready and are you ready now and it's kind of it opens the door after door i hear

this even if it's for five minutes it's good to rest and recharge

i think

I'll sit with this for a little while okay thank you thank you you're very welcome thank you

hi Joanne Hi All right So yeah I was going through the whole thing asked my mind if it's at peace It says "Of course not." Of course Does it want to be at peace like well no It's got a lot of stuff it's got to figure out Mhm And so um so like what's been on um I guess it's mine lately my mind lately is that um I guess I've been very very worried lately about um I guess my I have you know a bookkeeping business and I'm just worried with all like the technology that's coming out I'm like oh my you know with AI I'm like oh my god am I going to be out of a job and so then my mind is trying to figure this out And it's like I can't but you know as we we've been working and I know that well there's only they don't have control like things happen as they happen but and so it's frustrating to the mind that it's um you know thing things are happening I can't control them but there's just these scary scenarios just my mind just keeps putting them in front of me Let's acknowledge that Thank you Thank you mind for sharing You're wonderful And thank you for trying to figure it all out You're great

mind Let's ask it then what are you trying to achieve with all these scarest

scenarios and it always comes to the same thing Safety Safety So the more scenarios you create the safer you feel How does that work

see that's it It's like it's like it's it's puzzle where it's like even though I'm seeing this whole I'm seeing it more where I'm not controlling things but it just feels like but I got to control something and so it just feels like okay I may be pushing myself into the right kind of action because I am doing things to or things are where I feel like all right I'm going in a direction It's not like I'm just sitting back and just like whatever happens happens But um but my mind just feels like oh it's got to push me I got to got to keep I have that to have that uneasy feeling because if I don't have that uneasy feeling it's not going to I'm just going to just sit back and just pretend everything is okay And when you have that uneasy feeling what's then what's what what's then is it okay is it better than Is it okay I

know It's not It's not fun But I'm I'm I'm noticing it more now Before I wouldn't even notice it but now I'm like "Oh I'm I'm not I'm acknowledging it but not really." um um I say like really uh be being pushed as much by it as I used to before But it's just just noticing it there that yeah my mind's just not letting doesn't want me to rest Doesn't like this whole I'm not that I'm not uh you like working 247 Okay Well we can say that you know if you want to become uh very good at something or anything let's say play a piano there is effort involved and practicing involved and learning more complicated pieces and you know fingers training there is that tension Of course there is It's like pushing yourself That's part of it There's nothing wrong with that Mhm You can acknowledge that But when it's pushing and judging and putting you down that's something to look at because that that tension can be there

It's like there is stress that is functional and stress that is dysfunctional Like right amount of stress is Yeah It's going to get us out of the chair and start doing things That kind of stress or attention is great It's needed Mhm Is it that kind of stress or is it stress that is seems like uh over the top not necessary just putting you down bringing the energy draining getting you tired think it feels like the overthe-top is stressful because it's not joyful or it doesn't feel like oh this is what I enjoy doing so I'm going to this is what I'm going to do but cuz yeah it's not it's not fun I hear you so let's ask the mind say mind and how do you want to live what do you want do you want to stress yourself over the top or do you and to meet the challenge do what's necessary or meet another challenge and do what's necessary in a in a peaceful way calm way See it's just it feels like how I don't know how to meet the challenge but not be stressed about it That's Yeah Let's show the mind Let's show it Okay Okay So you can maybe close your eyes for a little bit

here And let's feel into that challenge that is in front of you trying to figure everything out including AI and how to work So much going on Just feel that stress or that energy that unease

Have you got it Okay Where is it in the body or in the system see it's it's in two places generally in my chest and also it's like my my jaw like I feel that Okay This energy Yeah Well say hello Hello there I see you I see you and I acknowledge you and you're welcome here Thank you so much for showing

up You are

valid and I see you're working so much So thank you for that Thank you Thank you

Is it okay to feel it mhm Yes Is it safe to feel it yes Yes Okay I just give it more space and a little bit more time

Yeah Hold it in attention Don't need to do anything with it It's not here to be fixed It's here to be felt

What can you ask that energy what do you want the most

this is peace Peace Say yes I agree Wouldn't that be nice i agree Have full permission to be at

peace Ask it are you ready to relax and rest and be at peace are you ready

it says no because it still has to figure things out Uhhuh I see Ask it What do you have to figure out right now right this moment What do you have to figure out this moment see this is that that proddding Um it because it's like it it feels like well at this moment no nothing needs to be figured out and yet it's saying like no you have to uh do do research figure out what you're going to do with the business um right now Yeah It just feels that that's like why it's like okay that it's yeah you can figure it all out a bit later but right now this this question is right now just for a little bit to put all these worries and work on pause it will be here later when you come

back would that be Okay Yes Yeah So ask it again Are you ready to rest

yes Yes Okay And are you ready right now right this move Yes Okay Well say you are already free You can rest as deeply and as long as you want You are already free

You don't need to do anything Just watch Stay with

it See there's like a lot of just that feeling of peace and that's that small little part of it that's just trying to like hold on like wait can't fully let go but

still I can still feel like that's general you know feeling of peace and how's the energy in the jar today

yeah it's not as intense as it was before it's the little remnants Mhm

Yeah But that's how you can play with it on your own It's a little bit like having a negotiation [Laughter]

Mhm But if you get it to to rest for a little bit and next time rest a little bit and next time rest a little bit

all the time

Yeah It comes back to the natural state and still you know there are things to figure out and business to run It's that part is not going to be lost to run away It's just that unnecessary over the top tension gets to relax and then it's easier to deal with everyday situations Right Yeah Cuz it just feels like when I'm stuck in this thought loop it's like I think of the worst things and it just feels like I I don't make the best decisions I don't see honestly clearly cuz everything is doom and gloom and like why even why even bother

yeah like you

and you know this um it's a thought loop which means the thought comes in or story comes in the body responds to that story then there's a feeling now and then that feeling feeds the story and the story is describing the feeling and trying to fight that feeling and it's just a whole whole enchilada seems like there's no way out Mhm But there's a way out The quickest one what I found is by paying attention to the energy in the body Yeah We can work with thoughts on the thought level and ask if that's true and take you know let's say Baron Katy sheets and fill that out It's helpful But in that thought loop if you remember that just to check in with the energy you start deeply looking at the energy that is already here It's not some somewhere out there I need to catch it or find it It's already present So you can start looking at it and just by acknowledging it first And really saying I see you creates that gap I'm not you You're not me I am here I see you I acknowledge you're here And you are welcome That changes the relationship with that energy from the unconscious Get out of here I don't want to feel this And what what can I do to stop it to oh it's happening It's here It's okay Yeah it's safe Of course it's safe I'm here That energy is here We are both safe that's okay Mhm And if if you can turn that into welcoming and into honoring just acknowledging that this energy here is not random It's here as a response to the thought And that response is a natural response to that kind of thought which is not something that you learn but which was inbuilt It's like the software of the system how to respond to that kind of thought with this kind of emotional response or body sensation So you acknowledge that ancient mechanism that is at work here This intelligence that is here and then from here you can establish a friendly conversation like really wanting to figure out what this energy wants or how it wants to be or what's holding it

here So it's no longer you You're not identified with that but you are here to serve it to be of service to invite to get itself comfortable

Yeah Yeah Know that's very helpful Yeah And that's what allows that energy to go from tightness to lightness Just like oh I've been seen I've been seen I'm acknowledged I can breathe I can be I

belong Yeah And another important point is that once the energy is here it came in by itself So my trying to push it away or getting rid of it it's not going to work It came in by itself So it's only can selfrelease or self liberate or do whatever it does by itself It's not my job to fix I'm not here to fix I'm here to give it attention and the space so that we can

selfcorrect That's the key Makes a lot of sense Yeah So it kind of changes the the way we approach this energy and the narrative in the mind changes It shifts into friendly welcoming consciously deliberately rather than unconscious reaction No I don't like this I don't want to feel this This shouldn't be happen Not this

again That's just unconscious reaction But you can become aware of what's going on and just checking in the body And you know where it's tied No you don't need to be told where it's tied You know where it's tied And then just talking to that part talking to that energy with their

respect there's something there That's how we meet them

Yeah And and you can play with it anywhere in the shower cooking washing dishes walking driving working

Yeah Because otherwise the attention is in the mind in the stories And the problem with the stories is when you pay attention to them they multiply they grow they expand Yes Because you know where attention is going that part is becoming more vivid and alive with energized by attention So if we energize the story we miss the opportunity to release that tightness from the from the body which when it's released no longer generates that story Mhm So have fun with that and see how it

goes You You're welcome

can I ask please thank you um it's beautiful to to be with you and you all and hear you guide people and my body really relaxes but um and it all makes sense when I'm alone I don't manage to do it like I've been in tremendous physical pain and my mind has been going crazy because my body is so tense and so tight and in so much pain and I just I try to be welcoming but I I can't and somehow when you speak here I'm able to when the tension releases I can handle the pain and I can handle the thoughts when there's just a release but I can't seem to manage that on my own and um this constant tremend tremendous tension pressure and and pain and and then the mind is going crazy and the body is going crazy there's no rest it's like running running buzzy buzzy it's like just ah and even if I try to be with the sensations they're so painful and I'm just it doesn't release like you know when I hear you questioning here it releases and then I can manage okay so I'm exhausted okay the body's heavy okay there's some pain but it's fine if I'm not tense but when I'm sleeping like this waking up like this and I can't manage to access that without something like this i don't know if there's anything you can say to that but it's um this is tremendous pain for so long and just craziness uh in the system yeah I hear you i can acknowledge that it's so difficult it's like a war going on inside

yeah let's open space for that let's just allow it all to be here just one hour just allow it all to be

here is it okay right now

it's not the funnest i'm not you know at full peace but it's better than it

was it's very good to acknowledge that there is only right

now only right now this moment that's it

it's like you are walking on edge a step to the past step to the future and you are being swallowed by all these stories by all these sensations by all the trying to control avoid and get rid of that if you can bring your attention to right now it's fascinating that you said that because it's amazing how fragile the pieces the second I go into mind that's it it's it's unbelievable yes

so you're walking on the razor's edge we have to be very mindful of the step that you're taking bringing attention to now and now and now and now

even now there is still some held tension mhm but um

well in the now there can be tension but it's okay isn't it

i would like it to be gone it's not very fun for me you know what I that the body is still holding but um yeah whatever is here is here to be seen not to be one not necessarily it's here to be seen it's here to be [Music]

allowed if she's saying "I need attention i need your attention

i need it so bad that I'm going to scream if you're not going to give me attention

so does that mean that all day I need to be in deep attunement and attention with the body or else I'll be off into my mind or or can I just do it once a day you know what I mean so you're saying all day I need to be deeply open and attuned to the body yes yes but don't worry because the mind is going to keep going into the past into the future what if things that are not happening it's just the habit that's how it's trained that's where it thinks that life is but life is not in there life is in here in this moment but because there are so many unresolved things going on that still need attention it's painful in the beginning it's really painful because it seems like everything is screaming at once i'm like where do I go but it's just tiny little step right now whatever is here right now is okay whatever is here right now is safe whatever is here right now I see you i see you i see you i acknowledge you thank you for coming and I tell you that one of the biggest shifts for me personally was learning to say thank you thank you yes thank you for coming like yay sometimes sometimes with the squeeze teeth but it's thank you for coming whatever is here whatever is showing up is here can say thank you for coming

and do you think it's here to like teach me something and I should try and analyze or figure out why it's here or just sense it and and like should I go into mind at all with it or

just the emotion or the sensation is not here to be analyzed it's here to be felt what that means is just I feel it i know it's

here it's here right so just feeling it yeah so it's not here to teach me something like that i should be doing something different with my life or like tell me I'm doing something wrong or guide me to a different path it's not something I need to analyze and figure out the message of sometimes yes not necessarily no when you are sitting with it when you're just letting it be just not the same letting it be something may pop up like a memory or an image or some idea what needs to change or whatever but it's that deep listening or deep looking at what is

here you know this word listen if I say word listen what happens in your system like listen to the distant sounds right now

what do you notice that happens in your system there's a quiet and an outward focus rather than trying to go into the mind and and and like work it like work out a math problem there's it goes in a different direction there's like a quiet and an outward listening yeah yes it's kind of something opens and is receptive mhm so when this Yeah when this word listen then there is a receptivity to hear something to get something that maybe it's not known so as you say the mind is no longer there as much but there is openness so if you approach whatever is coming up with that kind of openness then you can get a message and you can get whatever step needs to be taken or what whatever that energy is here to let you know you can get that but but to get to that you need to say yes yes thank you for coming thank you for coming mhm

to the sensations to the tension to the jaw clenching to all of that yeah without without intellectualizing like oh thank you for coming going to sorry I know why you're here you're here to tell me that this or that like not go into words just um words may be helpful to see see words why are they helpfully help to hold the focus because the focus is your attention that you know it's like a laser can be focused on something you know and just held there so words may be helpful to hold that attention

If the words are coming that's fine but it's not like oh this shouldn't be happening i don't like this how to get rid of it oh there's something wrong with me and I'm broken and that narrative is not helping you it's not helping to hold the focus it's already going into the story is creating more tension yeah but if the narrative is like "Oh thank you for coming i see you do you have a message listening that's helpful right but not trying to like figure out the message like not going into mind and like okay I better work and figure out the message what could it be like not like that not like that not like that not like that so in other words not to go into the mind and try and figure out the message but rather to to let it come to me like I always feel a sense of responsibility like I need to figure it out and if it's coming to tell me a message like I I go you know into very busy mind but you're saying to to let go of that and try and see if let it come to me kind of thing yeah and even appreciate that vigilance of the mind it's also here yeah it's working so hard it's trying to help like it's okay it's okay it's acknowledged that

all right so I guess what I can take with me is that I should be really with this 247 in other words I can't just be like okay I had a moment of peace bam now I'm going back into mind in other words at the beginning at least I need really need to work at that and like just keep on attending keep saying thank you keep saying you're welcome keep just really be deeply felt in the body and the mind and whatever is happening wow i don't know if I can do it that seems herculean but um and without you cuz you only need to pay attention now

see when you think that this is a huge job how to stay present you can also notice that being present is effortless it's it's here now so it's not like trying to get to this now but more leaning back into what's already

here right because I feel I'm always mindful because I notice that I'm in pain and I'm always noticing it so I'm like I'm always here and I'm noticing I'm in pain so but this is different i need to allow it and attending to that seems so different than what I do that it seems um huge and I'm not sure I can do it without you know your presence or amazing presence like we have here you know what I mean like do you think that I guess words of encouragement do you think I can do it when I'm alone 247 yes yes yes yes you just play with it make it into a game make it fun and don't worry you're going to be in the past and in the future many many times but it's just remembering to bring attention to oh what am I feeling right now where is that sensation right now is it okay and is it safe to feel because when it's safe to feel it's half a battle honestly this is one of the hugest relief is that it's safe to feel

even the tremendous tension and the pain in other words like even totally cleansed just accept that not just accept that but notice that you are here that sensation is here yes it is obviously here and that you're okay you are you are safe nothing can happen to you if you feel deeply

even even pain is safe to feel it's just the body's response to your physical something going on it's like alarm it's an alarm system it's saying pay attention so it's safe to hear alarm right mhm and you think that if I do that it will release i don't know oh it will it will I don't know if it will release but at least you won't be fighting it anymore and then who knows what happens mhm all right I will try i actually saw a video a while ago it was very interesting about pain that our body's response to whatever is happening in the body is the pain and the intensity depends on how dangerous this seems to the system

yeah if this if there was some experience before where that kind of event or something happened um brought a big stress or big trouble next time it happens you'll feel a double or really painful because body remembers and sense the sizzle so the intensity of pain depends on how dangerous this feels to the system isn't that amazing that is amazing i guess it does seem scary when I wake up after a night where I know I've been clenching and my whole body is tight because of it that feels kind of scary to me it's like oh my god I'm ruining my body i even sleep tense like my whole musculature is tense and in pain and that seems like that I'll ever get rid of that and like how can I live like that you know like that that Yeah yeah

with little steps it's not a big mountain that you have to conquer you just need to remember this moment right now check in let it be see if it's safe that's it

okay thank you so much i really appreciate it thank you thank you

i have a quick question Ilona okay please um how can I help somebody who's asking for support when they are in their stories

and I see that they're in their stories and in the past I would have uh I would have pointed that out but now I see that invalidates their feelings so I don't do that

and I don't know how to be with them because a part of me resists them because there's just a lot of negativity but they're they're needing for me not to resist them and so I can accept where they are well I don't know if I can i there's some resistance in me um because I'm feel like I'm interacting with their their mind yes but I also feel like what's coming up for them is part of me as well just because we are the same no you're not and look at this when there is such a dynamics where there is one person complaining and blaming and feeling a victim you don't really want to support a victim because if you are supporting a victim they just feel even worse energetically so it's useful to get familiar with the victim triangle and what that is is a human dynamics you know when somebody is feeling a victim they need somebody to blame or there is some persecutor there doesn't matter life boss husband wife whatever and there's a savior and that that triangle victim savior persecutor they support and need each other so when your friend is coming to you with all these painful stories she's in a victim mode and she may evoke a rescuer in you savior right and for the savior savior needs a victim because you know if it saves a victim good on me look at that so great look at me yeah the way out is not to feed the victim not to give it saving but be with her and say "Yeah I hear you that's horrible that's really painful." Because it is and you know that it is but not try to save her from her own experience and in the beginning that may be very weird for her because she's not meeting your response as she's expecting to but you don't want her to carry on in that

story so you have to exit that loop you can exit that

loop by recognizing where you are trying to save her in which way you are trying to save her and stop it so you can be with her listen to her stories say "I hear you i understand and no advice no

helping she's powerful enough to help herself but as long as she's reaching out for somebody else to do that for her she's

trapped so Google it victim triangle watch some videos recognize that dynamics because it's everywhere so when people meet and start playing mental games it's that yeah that that is so helpful for me because and I've never heard that so thank you and because I am a problem solver and I am her savior because I'm her mother um but I'm also her persecutor because I'm her mother so a lot of childhood issues anyway so yes I will definitely look that up because everything you just said it just makes me laugh because oh my god I'm in that I am in that triangle so okay thank you so much very helpful you're very welcome yeah we all are in these triangles as long as we playing these mind games with other people and that and these roles can be in interchanging the same people different time different role but once you become aware of it you can't really you can't really uh participate anymore because it makes no sense yeah I was I was releasing the what you call the savior well in my mind it was the problem solver helper but um when I released it and I was noticing my guilt that came up and and you know just being with that um but it I think what happened is it triggered in her um more feelings of reject excuse me rejection and so I thought I was doing something wrong but hearing you explain it I can see I just got sucked back into it yeah and you can see it on a global scale as well it's not just a family business or close friends business it's it's everywhere

all right I'm going to look that up thank you yeah and all this saving the world what's that it's like oh I need my victims i'll save them from their life experience yeah i tried to save my mom but didn't work so I just let her be

i have a a question please

um are there stages in awakening yes like is it like a progressive

stages and awakening mhm is it just increasingly decreased mental activity or like something more at like a disidentification level cuz I find myself Mhm having glimpses I guess

or I I don't know yeah experiences of I don't want to say dissociveness because that's separate that was related to like a lot of trauma in the past but more like

um like

witnessing but they're like

fleeting and so yeah just you know wondering kind of been in this world for a bit but

I would say is there like complete sensation of mental activity there are stages

let's start from that that there is stage of before like getting ready there is a stage of where this I got it I lost it happening like I had a taste of this I know what it's about I can't get it sometimes it feels like I I'm there sometimes I'm not or like I came back to square one that stage and then there is a stage after which again we can break down into cleaning up purification of the mind of going through the emotional stuff whatever needs to come in and get cleared stage then there is a opening more and more into stillness within saying that silence and then there are also lots of energetic phenomena going on in the body because the whole body is rewiring to be able to support more energy flowing and these stages is not like you know first is this then it's that maybe it's all at once it's more like a music you know the orchestra many different instruments playing at the same time different sounds it's already all happening it's not just one thing happening there's a lot happening which we don't know but these maps or some people define them at the different stages and different maps it may be useful but again your experience is unique and it's unique to you and you are the one who will say oh at that stage it was like this and at that stage it was like that for

me but sometimes it's good to check with what other people say but doesn't mean that it has to be like that for you it's more about coming back to your own experience your own knowing recognizing what is here and I would say the real progress is measured

by how much you are calmer at peace when intense things are happening like you're not being thrown into the story so much or worrying about stuff that is not happening or pushing and pulling resisting life that's a

measure but what it's what it's like today maybe a year later it will be a big difference and 10 years later it's a bigger difference so it is progressive

but it's your own map would you say you know all the trauma work is there like a point I don't know in your experience I suppose it's different for everyone where like trying to clear the emotional wreckage and the healing stuff and the plant medicine and the 12 step you all the where it's like a point of diminishing returns or like cuz I Yeah I get little I guess um wonder sometimes if the Yeah I'm just beating a dead horse but like that come up it's necessary if if the patterns are coming up they are here to be seen okay yeah so the way I look at it what needs to come in comes in then I look at it i don't need to go and chase it or try to get somewhere but if something is here it's here for me to see and I'm going to look at it

thank you i think I'll uh booked a half an hour consultation we exchange emails so Oh yes yes thank you