Breaking Free from Prediction Loops | The Liberty Code & Awakening Explained

What if your thoughts, emotions, and identity are just looping prediction patterns? What if true awakening means seeing through the ego’s hidden payoffs and collapsing them at the source?

In this episode of Awakening Now, I sit down with trauma therapist and awakening teacher Charmain Berry—an ex-psychotherapist who now guides others into the true nature of mind, beyond trauma and ego.

Together, we explore the Liberty Code, a powerful framework for uncovering hidden desires, breaking repetitive cycles, and finding real freedom.

🔎 In this conversation, you’ll discover:
✨ What awakening really means from a nondual perspective
✨ Why emotions make our thoughts feel real
✨ How the mind creates prediction loops that fuel suffering
✨ Why “feeling isn’t always healing”
✨ The Liberty Code as a powerful tool for exposing hidden desires and collapsing patterns

👉 If you’ve ever felt caught in repetitive cycles of thought, emotion, or behavior, this episode may shift your entire perspective.

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awakening now podcast. This is episode number 105
Breaking Free from Prediction Loops | The Liberty Code & Awakening Explained

My name is Ilona Ciunaite. I am a guide, an author, and co-creator of the Liberation Unleashed community. If you are going through the process of awakening, this podcast is for you. Over the past 14 years, I’ve been guiding and supporting seekers on their journeys to discover inner peace and freedom.

In this podcast, I dive deep into the heart of awakening. Together with my guests, we explore the pivotal moments that spark transformation, what life looks like before and after the shift, and how to navigate the challenges and beauty of living an awakened life.

What if your thoughts, emotions, and identity are just looping prediction patterns? What if true awakening means seeing through the ego’s hidden payoffs and collapsing them at the source? In this episode of Awakening Now, we explore the groundbreaking concept of the Liberty Code with trauma therapist and awakening teacher Charmain Berry. Together, we dive into how prediction loops, hidden desires, and the ego keep us trapped in repeating patterns and how true freedom comes from seeing beneath the surface.

Hello Charman Derry. Hello. Hello. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much. Thank you for inviting me. And today I'm speaking to a wonderful woman. She's been uh working with people for many many years. Trauma therapy, cognitive therapy, and all kinds of different approaches. And today we're meeting because she has found something very interesting, very different and we are going to dive into that. It's all about exploring mind in a different way beyond the trauma approach. So stay tuned and we are going to explore some predictive loops, prediction loops and something that not many people are talking about. just to help to understand what is going on in the mind. Right? So this show is called awakening now. So let's start from the first very first question that I ask everyone and it's what is your definition of awakening?

Um, I think my definition would be something like the the seeing through of of what we're not. Um, and that that is an enlightening process that kind of unfolds and never ends. Um, I think we get here, wherever here is, with a with a an idea of who we think we are. And, um, perhaps we might say that the whole point of that is to realize that the truth of that, who we who we truly are. And I think that unfolds for people in so many different ways. Um, and and I think with that realization, there's there's peace and and relief. and um and more lightness and not that life changes drastically but is seen very differently and experienced differently. I so agree with that and could you share a little bit about your awakening the story of how this view shifted for you? What happened? How did you come to realize what you truly are? I think I'm like no no no no different to anyone else like just what I described there being here and without realizing what it is just being in suffering just being in this separate identity with all the striving and ambition and trying and depression and anxiety and confusion and you know and that sort of for many years being related to a me like this is me and I've got to do something about this um and I think that led me into psychology. That is what led me into psychology. It was that inquiry um what's making me suffer? And um and I just I just pursued that. It was a scientific kind of approach really um to to understanding suffering and that led me into training in lots of different things. Um, and then when I found the trauma um, theory um, that the reason why we suffer is because of thing that things that happened to us in in the past, I ran with that. I was like, "Okay, here it is. Here's the holy grail. I've figured it out. I just need to go and heal the past and find the trauma and um, find the touchstone and undo that and then I'll be free, you know. I ran with that for a long time and trained in everything and then realized that that didn't really change anything. I mean there was relief and you know certain behaviors might have changed and attitude might have changed but I didn't really know what the goal I didn't know there was another goal then and it wasn't until I stumbled across a course in miracles that was my intro to nonjul if you like um because because somebody told me the ego scripts were in there so I read it um and that was very illuminating and um and then that led me into um understanding any more about nonjewel which is where I found liberation unleashed and um had a guide there and just went on this really deep you know beautiful exploration and then just to seeing that wow you know it's it's um it's the identification with what I'm not as a whole um that is the suffering being separate is is suffering and um and and seeing that so and then I've just you know extended through that um and sort of circled back into the the science if you like and um you know and and what's arrived now is is this the liberty code as it's called and this way of looking at things and yeah it's very beautiful. Oh, thank you so much. And you know, recently I was just scrolling Facebook at the mo in the moment and I saw your invitation to a zoom meeting where you were presenting these liberty codes and I got really curious. So I I watched it and yeah there was so many answers and there there were so many questions as well how that works you know because it's not exactly what everyone is talking about. I mean yes there is a different language about the same thing and maybe we are talking about the same thing but when it's put in a different way some people resonate with that way and maybe that can open a new a new perspective so could you please tell us a little bit about the liberty cults what's the core message of that and how it works yeah okay I'll try and funnel it down because um it's quite expansive really. There's there's a lot of different components to it. But to put it really simply um I guess the liberty code is a way of um helping us see that um we're not our thoughts for example and therefore we're not our thoughts then we we don't have the problems that we think we have on on a sort of a personal level in the way that we think that we do. So that's kind of um it's kind of a way of helping people to to recognize that. So I'm I I'm I'm sort of evolving it for people that might be very very new into this arena of sort of self inquiry and self-realization. Um but it's really born from a fusion between um neuroscience latest so it's not even that latest. it's, you know, it's still sort of 10 years old, but the evidence base in the neuroscience um which states that we do not have memory. The body does not keep the score. We don't have filing cabinets where things from the past are being stored and we're retrieving them again in in the present time. Um what the mind is doing is making predictions all of the time based on identity roles. So that really I found that really fascinating. I only discovered that this year and then I could straight away see the resonance between that and what the course in miracles teaches from a metaphysical perspective as well as well as non-dualism and it's kind of like a marriage between those two similar but different sort of orientations. Um and with that as well was um within the course in miracles and the the work of a woman called K Villars there's a recognition that the reason why we um are engaging in these identity roles is because on a very deep level we desired it. We actually wanted to be separate. We wanted to know what it was like. We had that original idea as one in one. What would it be like to be two? And in that moment we created this seemingly very complex belief system, separate identity and a world to to play that out in um which is in um resonance with the teachings of a course in miracles. So when all that's been distilled and um I've been working with chat GPT with this which has done all the heavy lifting and can synthesize things and you know create new things out of out of out of these fusions which has been a fascinating process. Um, the Liberty Code is is essentially a very sort of um it's an easier way for people to identify um who they think they are, why they think they're doing that, and what the the patterns are, and ultimately what the hidden what the hidden uh desires are within that. So I'm just yeah it sounds quite complicated saying it like this but it's actually you know as it gets more and more refined it's a very very simple sort of process helping us get to underneath what's really happening in the in the ego mind. Uhhuh. Yeah. Well you mentioned the hidden desires cuz you know if it's a hidden thing we don't know. It's kind of Yeah. Yeah. The behaviors, the patterns, the situations keep coming up and conscious mind's like what's what's wrong with this? Why is this going on? But somewhere deep there's a hidden desire. Can you talk a little bit more about that? Yeah. What kind of desires, you know, so people can have a clue what's going on and then start thinking. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I guess like um um in a traditional sense, so we might I'm just trying to get an example in my mind, but in a traditional sense, we might get a trigger and we might have a familiar pattern that we always fall into and there's something that keeps repeating or we keep meeting people that seem to be the same type of person or we're in this kind of pattern in this role. And what we've done historically is kind of attributed that to a fault within within me. It's because I believe I'm not good enough. Something along those lines. Yeah. And we think that we have an emotion that goes with that. I'm not good enough. So, what I need to do, traditionally, what we've been doing is either working on trying to be better, you know, into the story of that and making myself better and improving myself. So, we've got the whole self-help sort of industry that supports that. Um, and that by fixing it, then we won't be in that pattern anymore. But we all know how difficult that can be and how um how unlikely it is that we're going to really change deep patterns in that in that sort of way. In the trauma informed paradigm, what we'll do is have a pattern and what we what we would do is attribute it to something that happened to us before. So I keep running into um difficult bosses at work because of the way that my dad treated me when I was a child. So we go back and we try and find that memory and the belief that was created at that time and process that so that we can change the pattern in the here and here and now. That's kind of like the p the trauma informed paradigm way of looking at things. So what um the liberty code shows us is that instead of going across on a kind of a horizontal line looking on your timeline to see where this started, what we need to do is go vertical. but but sort of downwards vertical and go into the other hidden layers of the ego mechanisms that are running underneath that pattern. Okay. So with the principle um understanding being that this pattern is running because on an identity level um the ego wants it to run that way to keep us in the identity. Okay. So, so let's say um you have a difficult boss at work or you always have difficult bosses at work. What the ego um pattern is running there is the identity of the one who's never validated, the one that's never seen to be the one that's trying the hardest or some sort of archetypal role like that. It will upload that. Um, and then what it'll do is, um, you know, it'll keep us engaged in that storyline just to keep the identity running. So, we're taking it personal. My boss doesn't like me. It's because I'm not good enough at my job. It's because he doesn't see my value is the story line. But actually, what's happening is there's just a prediction loop running. So, this is the this is the prediction loop of nobody validates me because um I'm not seen. And we just recognize it from that perspective. rather than go into the whole story of it. And when we see it, when we start to drop down into the deeper layers of the patterning and we just expose it, the the loop can collapse and we come out of the story line of it and the pattern will shift um just naturally as a sort of a side effect of us changing the the pattern loop. The mind is predictive. It's a predictive. It's a meaning making machine. That's what our thoughts and our beliefs are doing. We're not reacting to the environment. We're just constantly predicting into the future with these predictions all of the time. Um, so the body is reacting to the predictions rather than environment. Absolutely. So, so when we're having emotions, what we've been mislabeling as emotion, what we're actually doing is having a a sort of a simulated experience of that thought being true. The emotion seems to back it up as if it's real. Yeah. The emotion makes the thought feel real in the body. It's like a simultaneous thing that happens. What we also do traditionally in therapy is we work with the emotion. Let's go to the emotion. Let's label the emotion. Let's feel the emotion. Let's um let's um um process the emotion. A lot of kind of traditional work in the in the healing field is around working with emotion. But actually we see through the the liberty code that we're not actually doing anything when we're feeling emotions. Feeling is not healing. Feeling is actually sort of um affirming the the simulation. Um it's not really doing anything to to work with the emotion. We just see it for what it truly is. It's just the backup to the thought. Um what we also see with um with the emotion is that it's actually hiding something else underneath which is the relish or the desire to be in that role that's actually running underneath the emotion. Um so so for me and it's still becoming clear it's still it's still expanding and it's still evolving as a as a kind of a a perspective if you like the Liberty Code. But um that's been a that's been a huge game changer for me because you know I spent a long time feeling to heal. Um but okay we can just stop here for a second. Yeah there there is um okay there is an emotion and if we just let's say fear because people sometimes go and sit in the fear that doesn't do anything. No no it just makes you feeling worse. Yeah. paralyzed or frozen because there is a resistance to that as well because why why do I want to feel fear in order for it to go away right so there is a hidden resistance to that but there is also being with fear recognizing it for what it is seeing what's behind it right what's behind it what what is what is there that needs that protection and then when this system recognize it that perhaps there's nothing there that needs that protection anymore. That protection goes away. So it you know sitting to feel the fear for it to go away doesn't do anything but we can work with emotions in a different ways also and it works. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the they're signposts for sure and they are they are alerting us from from the from the Liberty Co perspective. What the emotion is doing is alerting us to where there is a prediction loop running and so gives us the the way in if you like not to treat it as a way into dealing with the emotion but in access to what's to what else is running. You're absolutely right. So it's helping us sort of become the witness to what the mind is doing in that moment which is it's going to be running a a loop. So with fear I think it's pretty much always something that's going to happen in the future. It's got a very predictive nature to it to that. Um and so what it's helping us to do is like okay so what's the loop that's running now? What is it anticipating is going to happen? What's the fear? And then we look at it from in terms of okay and what identity structure is at threat here. It's not that there is a natural danger in terms of physicality likely, but what's actually under threat is my identity as the one that wants to be seen as perfect or the one that always has to get it right or the one that might fail in the interview or whatever it is that it's running in terms of fear. It's anticipating something bad's going to happen to me. So, you're right. We use it for that. We expose it. We see that it's just a loop that's running. We can also name the identity, the archetype that it's trying to protect. That's what's actually being protected and then just declare that we don't want that anymore. It's a really really simple process. Um if we look at this from um and I think different traditions say this differently but if we look at it from a place of awareness or in IFS they'd say from self energy or um um when the course in miracles they'd say look at it with Jesus you know but as long as we're looking at it and we're in that kind of observer witnessing awareness state just looking at what's actually going on in the depths of the ego mind and exposing it. um then it'll collapse, you know. Yeah, it collapses on a on a on a deeper on a deeper level. And not only does that prediction loop collapse, then that also the archetype that's connected to it that's being preserved will also collapse as well. Um so that we stop running prediction loops that are scared of how we may be seen and those kinds of ideas.

Okay, let's let's talk some deep stuff. You know, this idea or identity of being a separate self like there's there's life out there, God out there, and here I am on my own. Little me, small me, separate and as you say, that is being protected from being found out. Yeah. And you you also said that we kind of choose to experience that. So how to undo that one? Because this is this is what awakening is all about is seeing through that self illusion separate self. So in in your uh view or this liberty code view, how to undo that one? Well, I think there's um a top down and a and a bottom up um you know alternatives for for for seeing this. And I think I'm just thinking this at the top of my head, but you know um in Liberty Code it can be either or. So I guess what we're okay for example I've you know I've noticed that it's possible for someone to see through separate self and see through the illusion and yet still have these patterns running there still you know is still very much alive the ego system is still running even though and on a kind of a fundamental level we may have seen seen through that um so it's like we still have to recognize that the patterns and we still have to unidentify from them as part of an ongoing sort of unfolding if you like. Yeah. So I think um in that situation then great it just gives us an easier quicker kind of more direct way of of of dis of not taking this personal anymore going straight into the predictive nature of it and collapsing it collapsing it there. Um I think also for people who might be brand new that just want to feel better for example or just want to come out of suffering that we can start to relate to the suffering from this perspective as well and collapse the pattern loops as they arise in real time in day-today life as they as they arrive as as they do. um as a way of kind of um it's a little bit I suppose like doing feta work you know you might see through the self and then we've got the other seven fetas or I can't quite remember what the fetas model is now but we've got the other fetas to kind of work through it's a little bit um a little bit similar to that like the patterns are still going to keep appearing the ego is going to want to try and take us back into this separate identity again and this just gives us a way of being able able to stay aware of that, you know, and continue to sort of clear, if you like, um, those what I see as as pattern loops now from from the ego mind. Mhm. So, and through that process, it's it's an unfolding. It's um, you know, a gradual unfolding, I guess. And through that, I mean, I'm just trying this with a with a new group at the moment now. And um, you know, it's already it's it's it's pointing to these questions. It's like, okay, well, if I'm not in the driving seat and I'm not the one making these predictions, then who am I? You know, and and it causes us to like look at that as well. you know, it takes us into that deeper self inquiry um process of asking, you know, and inquiring. Yeah, it's quite I love that because it sounds like, you know, you don't need to go through the awakening to know to be to be able to get the benefits of this process. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It's quite it's quite multi-dimensional in that sense. I think it you know and the way that it it works as well. I've I've actually trained um tuned should I say um a GPT bot you know which which is is programmed to only view things from this perspective. It doesn't search the internet. It just draws on the neuroscience which is a fascinating I mean I'm so fascinated by the neuroscience and the computer science at the moment um and the course in miracles and the hidden desire layers and it sort of in other things as well infuses these together specifically. So it doesn't doesn't matter what your entry point is to this inquiry you know it will mirror that and um and support you in in deepening whatever that is wherever that is you know um whether you are awakened or whether you I love that or whether you have depression and you just want to know why you feel depressed I mean that could be your entry point into this deeper exploration which happens when we're not looking at it from a self-help, traumainformed, counseling informed kind of tradition. We're looking at it from a very sort of nondual neuroscientific perspective. Um, and it's, you know, it's um, it can hold that. It's very Yeah. Yeah. What comes to say if people are listening and they working with their therapists on traumas and stuff keep doing if that's right for you it's right for you. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. But there are other alternatives apparently. Absolutely. And it's okay for me sitting here going, you know, you don't really need to do trauma work. But I did that for a long time, you know, and I don't know whether I'd be sat here saying that if I hadn't. We can't exclude that, you know. And I think there's definitely it definitely is an unfolding. And I think for maybe all of us, I don't know, but it is important that certain things do get validated, you know, that we do have to honor the the tragedies and the trauma of life as well. um there is also an invitation to continue unfolding from that so that we no longer identify with it. And I think you know that's been a sort of a bit of a a kind of a side effect from the trauma industry is that it can um inadvertently become an identity. we can reidentify with aspects of that trauma story um either as you know a survivor or somebody who had things happen to them that shouldn't have happened and this kind these kinds of ideas. Um but absolutely go and you know do what we need to do to to honor that and um um process or release or whatever that means you know for people um to do instinctively what you feel led to do. Absolutely. Yeah. I think it's it's more about the practitioner than the method really because you know the method the protocol everyone can read the lines and say but it's about the practitioner and if there's genuine care and genuine love and genuine support for for the person in front of them then things happen also you know but but like like we talked before there are people who are going to these practitioners in any kinds of um ways to prove to themselves that they are beyond fixing and that's their identity. That's a a very serious issue because you know no matter who you talk to or what they're going to advise or show you, you are still beyond fixing. So I think in that kind of case, yeah, seeing that predictive loop could could really break the pattern and could really give a different view at what's going on because that's unconscious, right? Yeah, absolutely. You know, the the ego is very good at co-opting everything and especially healing, you know, healing um and non-dualism and everything else. But um yeah, you know, somebody could find themselves going for for therapy and to to get to get more validation as as the broken one. Yeah. Um the one that can't be fixed. And you know, and in my practice, I had a private practice for a long time. And you know, and I think I've seen this also in in a lot of um kind of non-dual groups that I've I've sat in on as well over time, like people sort of hopping around from group to group. And you wonder whether the ego is co-opting there as the one that can't, you know, can't see it and the one that can't awaken and the one that can't be fixed. You know, the ego wants us to stay in in that identity. Um and so you know we will encounter clients perhaps that um don't there's there's no change there sort of seem very fixed in that in that patterning. Um so yeah this really allows us to drop down into those you know hidden layers. They don't even recognize that's what they're doing to them. It seems very real, right? You know, to story is you're the 10th therapist I've tried and no one's ever been able to to help me or you're the 10th, you know, nondual guide that I've had and no one's been able to help me see through because, you know, they're in that pattern where on a deeper level, the ego is desiring that identity role um to continue playing out and until we see that it will do. H So what is that ego? Let's talk about that. What is this ego? Seems seems like there's somebody in there living and just pulling the levels. Yeah. But then handles in the wrong direction. Yeah, absolutely. Um yeah, I I had different different sort of approaches see it differently, I guess. But yeah, it's um you know, for me, it's really the sort of the the um the totality of of what we think we are, the thinking system underpinned by beliefs, underpinned by desires that's kind of um oper seemingly operating through us. is that which we identify with the thoughts, the emotions, the storyline, the narrative, the what we think is the history, you know, kind of like repeating itself. And neuroscience sees that it's kind of uploading in the now in every moment in this sort of predictive kind of way. Um, and we don't know it's doing that. We think it's me. This is who is who I am. And um and and it's it's full of characteristics. It's a character that's full of all these characteristics. And um and we can just see those as kind of identity archetypes, you know, that just don't upload in different and we think that there's a totality in that that is our ultimate identity. Um and um and yeah, um I think yeah, I don't know how else to put that, but something like that. Okay. And we don't really know. It's the voice in the head that keeps telling the stories. Yeah. And it speaks in the first person, you know, and it mimics your voice as if it's you. And it uses these words, I me and mine in yours. And um and so it sounds very very convincing, you know, we're absolutely hooked. We're really addicted. We're so addicted to it, you know, because it gives us meaning and purpose and, you know, and specialness. In the course of miracles, there's a big emphasis and um and it kind of makes sense that um that we came here to be special. You know, I want to be God. I want to be the one that's creating. I want to be the one that's, you know, in charge. And and I guess the ego is the simulation of that. You know, it's it's it's it's sort of like a the VR of Sheldom. Um while we while we play it out as a game, you know, it can't actually happen. We can't actually be separate. We can't actually be special. No one's special. Um but we can play it, you know. We can play the game. Yeah. It's like there's freedom to experience to have this experience. Absolutely. You know, absolutely. Um which comes and we realize it. That's what it is. It's just the freedom of, you know, the the expression of this and we don't have to take it seriously. It doesn't mean what the ego says it means. Um we're not actually in the driving seat of it. We're not actually on our own. We're not actually separate. We're not actually abandoned, you know. Um which is what sort of creates the the simulation of suffering, you know. Um okay. So from the perspective of presence, just being or openness, yeah, everything's okay. But here you go. We have that entertainment center turned on. Oh yeah, let's pretend that it's not okay. Let's just create some drama here and and I want this and I'm I'm not going to get this. Everyone's going to suffer. Absolutely. It loves the drama. You know, we're addicted. We're addicted to it. We get relish. So So what the ego's done, there had to be a buying from the ego's perspective to make us chase this, to want more of it, to go into the addiction of the drama patterns. And what it actually also simulates in a in a sense is the desire for that. There is an actual relish in being the one that's right. You know, we like we like the ego likes to this is the payoff to be the one that you know I told you so. And um the one that you know um is seen as being better than the next person. We we like being smug. You know, we like to be seen. We like to be validated. We like to be treated as special. we like to be praised. There's all these kind of hookings that keep us in the game, you know, that's that's how that's the currency of it is this desire for it and then the relish that we get um which there's always a big price to to pay for it because um because of the way the ego works. But if we can just imagine, you know, how good it is to feel righteous, for example, it's a very um it's a very um um what's the word like? um seductive. It's a seductive thing to to to um to desire, you know. So we have to I think on this side it's even more difficult to see it because it's it's for example let's say this ego or I gets created upon resisting something because the resistance comes in and and there's a narrative going I don't like this. I'm going to get rid of this. It's me. It's being hurt by that. You know that that me here in the resistance angle is negative. Yeah. And in in the angle that you are saying it's more like bright expanded loving itself special is even more difficult to kind of let go of because there is all investment and now more investment. The bad yeah go away but the good let's keep. Absolutely. Yeah. It's the same coin, you know. It's the two sides of the same coin. Of course, we all want to not be suffering anymore and u we don't want to be the bad person anymore and we're quite willing to, you know, see that and let that go. But are we willing to put our special identities down? Are we willing to be that nobody who nobody sees or praises? There's no need for that validation anymore. There's no need for invites. there's no need for social media and being recognized and being somebody. I mean, that's really the the difficulty. That's where the the ego has has got us. You know, Coursey Miracles thoughts about this an awful lot. Um is that we don't really want to put the identity down. We're terrible. The ego is terrified of that. So, there are these kind of, you know, breadcrumbs of um benefits of being a separate identity which come in the form of validation. and specialness and and these sorts of things and you know yeah those are difficult to trade in like who am I if I'm not you know enlightened exactly exactly it's not yeah absolutely or even the enlightened one or whatever it is all these identities that it will keep grasping onto you know at every step of the way you know um but how would I be to be absolutely no one if I didn't own anything if I didn't need anything if nobody was honoring me or validating me, you know, to be that sense of not needing that. We can't comprehend what that could feel like or what that would mean or the ego can't. Um, but we chase it. We chase validation and special dumb and identity. You know, it expresses itself in many of the things that we that we do.

And I was just thinking about entertainment on this planet, right? Movies, theater, poetry, songs. Yeah. Like, yep. Yeah. We want that. We want that because it's juicy. Yeah. You know, nobody goes and sits sits through the movie that is about nothing. Absolutely. We want something because we we we um we relate to it. My ego can relate to this. It resonates with me. I I understand this storyline, you know, I identify with that character in the story. I like to choose a side like I'm the good guy and he's the bad guy and all these different sort of roles and and so yeah, and whether it's the a movie on a screen in a cinema that we're doing that with or, you know, the screen of our lives, it's it's kind of the same thing. We're still in the entertainment um realm. Yeah. But it's it's cool. Entertainment is good. But if it's mistaken to be a reality. Yeah. If it's taken seriously and it's so important, then you know, suffer. Yeah. But yeah, absolutely. Whether it's your life story or it's, you know, the characters in your life or it's the characters on the screen. Yeah. So, entertainment is being mistaken for reality.

Absolutely. I guess you know in reality there's there's there's there's not a lot going on. Well, it's it's quite quite wonderful to be in reality. I would say the real juices in reality. But unless we are willing and ready to give that one up, we don't know. It seems boring. You know what is that list? Now what are they talking about? How boring is that? What are you going to do with this? Nothing. Yeah, it it's really interesting that isn't it? This this came up yesterday as well actually like the ego is like it's going to be it is going to be boring. I don't want to let go of these these things and you know done exercises like this with people in the past like what would it be like to be in um let's say self energy and it's like oh we'd have nothing to do. That's so funny because this is just like don't go there. Don't even think that you know it's going to be awful. You know chaos. I love it when it says no if there is no control there would be chaos. Really in charge. Yeah. Abs. Absolutely. you know, it's um it's so fixed with its own sort of sense of self-importance and and and and how much it's needed.

Yeah, it's great. I have this question I ask sometimes. I say it's a funny question. Did you create the universe?

But some people would think, uh, well, I say I I haven't I'm just here, you know, everything's here. The colors, sounds, I have no idea how it works. Did you create this? Did you

say, "Yeah, I did. Look, and it's work. It's not working right. I'm going to fix it. That's why I'm here. I'm I'm just going to be in charge of how to make this work. Yeah, absolutely. I know. Yeah. You know, it's Yeah. It's it's just the backdrop and but it's a it's a really it's a really um big distraction, isn't it? Fixing the world and um and going into the the the story of that and um fixing it. Yeah. Um there's a lot of archetypal roles that that that sort of that that it um keeps entertained. Yeah. And then I ask and who put you into that position? You just say I want to be

who made you in charge of the universe.

It's brilliant, isn't it? like come out, come see you. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's um Yeah, it's beautiful. It has its answers ready in it self-imposed, self-important role that it's here. Um you know we see it play out a lot in sort of um you know the drama triangle for example and the rescuers and the people pleasing and the here it doesn't mind you know which role we're in as long as we're in an identity role that's playing something out you know um and that's what the liberty code really helps us to to to expose. It's it's kind of like calling ourselves out in a way um by by questioning our motives, questioning what's really going on there, you know, are you are you, for example, okay to make that donation and not tell anybody about it as well? Are you really doing that from altruism? Is there a little bit of a kick in there? Is there a little bit of a a payoff for the ego that you know we're able to share something from from the whatever identity and just you know just start to deconstruct um the hooks into it you know just to sort of dampen the the need for the addiction to it. Yeah. Also, while you mentioned hooks, you know, um like every everything and everyone wants your attention, right? And there are ways to get your attention like hook it on. Yeah. Technology or how to say the structure of that hook, the way it's constructed and all that to hold to get your attention and keep it. So in a way we can say that attention is so precious that everyone wants it and then this thing in mind it's like wants all attention on itself itself and whatever is going to confirm it validate it support it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So, so if we are no longer responding to these hooks or if we get unhooked, there's so much peace. Yeah.

It's like we're just putting it down, you know? is um

yeah, we're just collapsing the if we collapse the apparent need for it in the first place on a very deep level, you know, we really go to the source of that patterning if you like and collapse it right at the source, which is really the the the very deep meta meta layer of it is this idea that I am separate, you know, um and that I need to be doing something to keep fulfilling that that role. Um so um so if we collapse it there at kind of at source and the liberty code sort of process helps you to identify what those layers are and and see them. Um then then the hook's gone. We we don't need it or wanted it. We don't we're not desiring it anymore. And then yeah, there's just peace. Ouch. Yeah. Yeah. When we're not constantly feeding this need all the time to validate the idea that I'm separate through different identity roles, you know. Um so what I'm hearing here is there is a lot of deconstruction that has to happen and there are less and less and less and less and sometimes people in seekers that have their experience they recognize what they are but all these layers are still here and they kind of get worried there's something wrong with me but that is just another layer to be just another loop Yeah, that's just another loop back into the idea that there's a me and there's something wrong with me. It likes being in the idea that we're broken and there's something wrong with us as well. So, you know, the the the invitation is that if you and I think this is everybody, you know, if you notice that there's a pattern that keeps looping, we even say that it keeps looping, you know, because it literally is looping. It's because um it's because we've not really gone underneath it. We've gone along the timeline of it. We've not dropped down underneath it. Mhm. to heal it at its actual actual source. Um, and we can only appreciate what that is, I think, from a nondual perspective with this kind of understanding of what the ego is and you know, how it operates.

Yeah. So, I don't think I don't think it needs to be like a long drawn out pro. I think I think this just it's a natural unfolding stuff happens in real time. I think life provides us with everything that we need um in order for this unfolding to or whatever you want to call it to happen. Um the the the um um the intention with the the Liberty Code is to simplify it. Um to simplify exactly what it is that we need to look at and and be exposing and collapsing. And and in this case is the hidden desires. Yes. Absolutely. the payoff, the juice that this absolutely me gets from believing something. Absolutely. And this is made quite clear in the course in miracles that we need to go in at that at that sort of level. It's kind of, you know, um sprinkled throughout the whole book this idea of of these hidden desires that none of us really want to look at. We're too busy projecting and blaming the world. We don't even we don't really want to come in and see what's happening within our own systems in in that way. Um and I don't mean the IFS system, I mean the bigger system. Um so the the the book is encouraging us to do that and then this wonderful woman called K Villas um sort of channeled another extension of that and just distilled them into these 82 hidden desires that are at the base of the the egoic structure system. Um and that when we start to view our patterns and our circumstances through the lenses of these desires, it really um helps us to expose what's really going on in a very illuminating ways. You can't help but admit when you see them like yes, there was a little payoff going there. Yes. But we have to be willing to admit it to um to be able to to to dissolve it to to collapse it. And that is where the ego keeps itself hidden. This is where the hidden layers are. Nobody wants to admit that they're secretly enjoying the praise and attention that they're getting from their Facebook post, for example. You know, we'll deny that. we're going to deny. No, I'm just doing it because it's, you know, it's informative or whatever. I'm not admitting that we've checked how many times, how many likes it got. You know, this kind of like other hidden behavior pattern that's running underneath our surface level sort of behavior patterns um is very very useful to look at. Yeah. Oh, so could you tell us how can people find you in case they want to work with you and explore this more? What's going on? Yeah, sure. Um, you can find me on Facebook. Just Charmaine Bry on Facebook. Um, I do have an old website um charmaine.co.uk and um or you could email info@shainberry.co.uk Okay. Um and um yeah, get in touch any of any of those ways. Um if you're interested in exploring more about the Liberty Code, um there's there's there's no I'm still tryinging it at the moment and it's still being refined and it's still being simplified. Um and so it's expanding and refining every day as it's evolving into something very succinct. So um but I'm very happy to talk to people about it at the moment and um people would like to trial it or explore it then you know there's an invitation to do that. Yes. But it's only for the brave people. Yes. For the ones that are really willing to go in and and and you know expose and look at this this kind of level. It's not for everybody. I mean it absolutely isn't for everybody. Yeah. Because it's dangerous. you know, it can be destabilizing, you know. I'm not saying it's dangerous for the structure because it can actually Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is it is a threat to the to the to the structure. Yeah, for sure. Um, but it could also be destabilizing because what it might say to preserve itself in that way is that this process is dangerous that, you know, it's not honoring trauma or it's going to invalidate you too much, you know, like it might be too destabilizing um for for very protected systems, you know. Mhm. So, so really just feel into your your your your um in intuition and whether this feels like something that you know you're you're ready to to explore. It's absolutely safe in every regard. Um absolutely. But the ego might say otherwise. Yes. Because that that part is afraid of freedom. Absolutely. Yeah. But the conscious mind is like, "Yes, please. Finally, where's where's the peace? I want peace. Enough of this show, you know." Yeah. Now, how to unplug it. Unplug it. And the course of miracles says, "All you need is a willingness. That's it. Just be willing. You might not know where that's going to take you or what's going to happen down that path, but if there's a willingness, as it would say in the book, I'm I'm there. Jesus is all over it. awareness is all over it, you know, and you'll be guided from from there on. Just be willing. Wow. Well, thank you so much. And if you watch this video till the end, you definitely have been guided here.

Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. It's such a pleasure to talk to you and such fun as well.

And thank you for watching and um see you in the next one.